Welcome to the MamasteFit Podcast! In this episode, we’re hearing Casey share her two birth stories where she had two unplanned Caesarean births.
We’re going to talk about how she became pregnant, navigating her pregnancies and then her two births, plus how she processed her births afterwards.
Because of Casey, MamasteFit has developed numerous cesarean recovery programs to support this specific population! We found that many programs out there were not geared towards the cesarean recovery, but rather a more general postpartum program.
Thanks to Casey’s experience, we were able to recognize that there was a need for a specific program for the specific recovery needs of the c-section mom and client. And with Casey’s help, we developed our c-section recovery fitness program and she created our c-section scar mobilization course and live webinar.
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Casey’s Birth Story: Two Labored C-Sections
Hi, I’m Casey Backus. I am a physical therapist and yoga instructor and mom to two little boys. And I’ll be sharing my birth story today and kind of my journey through pregnancy and the postpartum and healing two unplanned C sections coping through that.
It’s something that we get quite a bit of feedback on and comments about. How do you move forward when your birth story isn’t maybe the magical birth story that you planned for or maybe just far different from how you planned.
Casey's First Pregnancy: IUI and Birth Preparation
And so, I got pregnant a little bit later in life. So, in my later thirties, 36, with my first son through the help of fertility assistance and so was really excited to be on that journey and aside from going through IUI and all that that entails, really it was relatively uncomplicated, and I was feeling pretty healthy at the time.
My husband and I happened to be the type of a couple that blood work wise or fertility wise, essentially what we were hearing from the team was that we really just didn’t look favorable on paper. And I kept saying the yoga teacher and meditator in me just kept saying, I don’t believe that’s true. It just doesn’t feel true to me. I feel like I know I’m going to be a mom. I feel like I know my body can get pregnant, I know what the numbers say, but please just let us try.
And they really didn’t want to let us try IUI because of combination of factors with us. But we had a great team at the army hospital near where we live, and they were willing to give us one shot at IUI. And we were lucky enough to get pregnant with our first son and it was relatively uncomplicated after that. And so I kind of let my guard down a little bit.
I'll be honest, I did not read one paragraph about c section because, like, probably other moms out there, I was like, yeah, that's cool, but that's not for me. That's not how it's going to work out for me. And spoiler alert, that's how it worked out for me. We don't always know how our story will unfold.
I was happy to be healthy and moving through the pregnancy. It was generally pretty magical, pretty uncomplicated, and teaching yoga all throughout and working full time as a PT in a local physical therapist assistant program, local college, and really was not really in tune to anything other than, like, yeah, I know the body inside and out physically, and the physiology of it. And I teach anatomy, and I’m this yoga teacher, and I train yoga teachers, and so I expect that I’ll be able to do this. I was a former collegiate athlete, had a lot of trust and connection with my body.
I’ll be honest, I did not read one paragraph about c section because, like, probably other moms out there, I was like, yeah, that’s cool, but that’s not for me. That’s not how it’s going to work out for me. And spoiler alert, that’s how it worked out for me. We don’t always know how our story will unfold.
Induction and Unplanned C-Section Birth
And I wasn't progressing, which is kind of like tattooed on my brain. If anybody that's had an induction that ended in c section, they oftentimes don't hesitate to use the phrase failure to progress, which really hurt my heart, honestly.
And I had some medical complications toward the end of the pregnancy that required an earlier induction, not super early, 37 weeks for preeclampsia or concerns for preeclampsia, some kind of early labor stuff.
And so they said, let’s just induce. And the induction was okay. But tuning into my body, I was like, I don’t really think my body’s getting on board with this induction.
They kept turning up the pitocin, and the nurses would come back and be like, how do you feel now? And I’m like, I mean, it’s kind of annoying, but I’m not really feeling much. And so I think they broke my water. And I kind of progressed through labor through the night.
And I don’t know, it was at least a day. I think it was close to 30 hours or so. And I started to exhibit some signs of infection and fever and just fatigue and discomfort at that point.
And I wasn’t progressing, which is kind of like tattooed on my brain. If anybody that’s had an induction that ended in c section, they oftentimes don’t hesitate to use the phrase failure to progress, which really hurt my heart, honestly.
It was like, I’m really trying. I’m trying to endure the pain. I’m trying to do what you tell me to do. I’m trying to move around, do what I know, and so kind of surrendering to that experience and ending in c section. And it was relatively uncomplicated.
Healing After Her C-Section
But of course I'm like, I know, but you all did it. You all were able to do it, and I wasn't, or my body wasn't. And so I wouldn't say that a whole lot of healing happened. I think I just kind of moved past it, but let some of those feelings just lie deep beneath the surface.
My son and I both did well, and he was in my arms shortly after that. They did accidentally give him to my sister to hold. So that was always like a running family joke that she held my son, my very, very first son, before I ever had a chance to.
But she’s a big support system for me, so if anybody was going to get a chance, I guess, besides my husband and I.
And things were okay. And I would say that first time, I pretty much just suffered quietly, lots of voices around me, like family and friends, like, oh, healthy mom, healthy baby, that’s all that matters.
And I kind of nodded. I’m like, yeah, no, totally right. It’s fine, I’m fine. It worked out great, we’re great.
And he was nursing well, and I kind of was falling into that. Like, I don’t have anything to complain about, but just felt lots of just under the surface feelings of, like, I didn’t finish the race. Like, I wasn’t able to get there. And that was pretty challenging.
I would talk about it a little bit, but even in my circle, I really didn’t have really anybody that I knew that their birth ended in C-section. I have two sisters and my mom and everybody birth vaginally, so I was kind of the first one in my family, the first woman in my family, and they were very supportive.
But of course I’m like, I know, but you all did it. You all were able to do it, and I wasn’t, or my body wasn’t. And so I wouldn’t say that a whole lot of healing happened. I think I just kind of moved past it, but let some of those feelings just lie deep beneath the surface.
Preparing for a second pregnancy and VBAC
Like those deep-down feelings of that birth didn't work out, and I'm going to do better this time. Like, I promise I'm going to whatever it is, some version of, like, if I work harder, it wouldn't have been like that. Or if I would have just watched this, then that would have been good. Or if I would have walked more or whatever the story is, just trying to talk myself out of the way that it actually worked out.
And was fortunate enough to get pregnant all on my own at about 13 months postpartum and was super actively involved in MamasteFit at that time and kind of came into the gym one day and I said, hey, Gina, I need to switch programs. And she was like, what? I said, yeah, I need to go back on the prenatal programming. I’m pregnant again.
And so it went from there, and I worked pretty hard. That pregnancy. In hindsight, I was training myself for some sort of redemption.
Like those deep-down feelings of that birth didn’t work out, and I’m going to do better this time. Like, I promise I’m going to whatever it is, some version of, like, if I work harder, it wouldn’t have been like that. Or if I would have just watched this, then that would have been good. Or if I would have walked more or whatever the story is, just trying to talk myself out of the way that it actually worked out.
And so I was like, man, I’m doing it. I’m going to be prepared. I’m going to have a VBAC.
Gina was my doula. We were working on all the things that we knew were the best things for me to prep and to have this VBAC.
And now the caveat is I was prepping as well as you can with a 13 month old toddling around and being reckless. Like 13 month old can be or two years and younger can be.
So that was a little bit challenging. But still I felt like I was ready.
Casey's Second Birth: The Story Repeats
Like those deep-down feelings of that birth didn't work out, and I'm going to do better this time. Like, I promise I'm going to whatever it is, some version of, like, if I work harder, it wouldn't have been like that. Or if I would have just watched this, then that would have been good. Or if I would have walked more or whatever the story is, just trying to talk myself out of the way that it actually worked out.
And then just like clockwork, at about 37 weeks, I had the flu. And then at about 38 weeks, they said, we need to induce. You’re showing signs of preeclampsia again.
So I’m like, no, this is not what I want. I’m trying so hard. And I did all the protocols and the baby Aspirin and all the things that I found in the research that would reduce the risk of preeclampsia. And like, I did the working out, and my placenta should be healthy.
So it was a bummer because despite all my best efforts, my body started birthing again in the same way it did the first time around. Hindsight’s 2020. I have some gratitude for it because after enduring the experience the second time, which I really don’t even need to describe, because I could describe it the first time, and it’s almost identical. The babies were the exact same size. The labor took almost the exact same length. I ended up with a fever and just started to get sick. Or I guess my uterus now I understand, I guess that my uterus was getting sick.
And then it was time for C section. And in the second experience, though, I called it, I called it sooner. Like, I could just feel like I knew, like, this is what’s happening, and talked to Gina, talked to my husband, and it took several hours to get in for C section.
There were a few emergent situations that night, but felt much more at peace with transitioning into C section that way.
Accepting her birth story
And after that second C section, there was a bit more of like, acceptance and embracing, like, okay, I'm probably not going to have any more kids. And so this is my story, and I will walk through this earth and on my journey and probably not know the experience of unempowered, unmedicated vaginal birth.
And really a great learning lesson for me that one birth can be healing for another, for past experiences, but that we really owe each birth its own individual attention and that it shouldn’t be, I’m going to do better this time. It’s going to be redemption or something.
Like, it’s a different child. And as we know now from being moms, every child needs something different, and every pregnancy is so different. And after that second C section, there was a bit more of like, acceptance and embracing, like, okay, I’m probably not going to have any more kids. And so this is my story, and I will walk through this earth and on my journey and probably not know the experience of unempowered, unmedicated vaginal birth. Like, that’s not going to be part of my story. And so how can I inhabit my story instead of focusing on the story I didn’t have?
But if you've ever attended that webinar, you know that there is the science talk about all the mobilization and the technique, and we talk about learning how to do it, but we also talk about the fact that c-sections are not there's no blame, no one's at fault. It's not about some lack of preparation or a lack of toughness or anything that you may be feeling lack of athleticism or endurance, that we all birth differently and our babies come into this world differently.
And one of the ways that have been incredibly therapeutic for me was to start teaching other women how to care for themselves after c-section, primarily care for the tissues, the scar tissues. We do that through scar tissue mobilization and so leading webinars and sharing tips on skin healing and skin mobilization. That’s the meat and potatoes of it.
But if you’ve ever attended that webinar, you know that there is the science talk about all the mobilization and the technique, and we talk about learning how to do it, but we also talk about the fact that c sections are not there’s no blame, no one’s at fault. It’s not about some lack of preparation or a lack of toughness or anything that you may be feeling lack of athleticism or endurance, that we all birth differently and our babies come into this world differently.
And so that’s something that really has just become an unexpected part of my story and an unexpected part of my journey, really, until I don’t want to say now because I think I’ve known before now, but seeing that you do a little bit of the why me? And then to actually just say like, well, why not me?
I’m kind of the perfect person to talk about all this stuff, to blend in the mindfulness, to blend in the physical therapy and anatomy and physiology of the tissues, and also personal experience. Like I’m standing in this space with this experience.
And so that’s what this season of life for me right now as a PT looks like. I’m actually really grateful every time we do the webinar, which is usually every couple of months, it’s an experience of gratitude to provide relief for other people just by saying a little bit of my story or just by saying a little bit of what they may be thinking.
Now I know everybody’s totally different. Some people have planned c sections. Some people are joyful about their c sections and have a little bit more acceptance than I did.
But in general, for me, it’s kind of extending a hand into a space where sometimes women who’ve had cesarean birth are otherwise kind of forgotten or just treated like just follow everybody else. We’re all marching this way, just do whatever the people with vaginal birth are doing. And that’s just not always appropriate. So that’s my story. And that’s kind of also a bit of the origin of how some of our caesarean programs came to be was through part of my own healing journey.
Choosing VBAC or Repeat C-Section
I knew there would have been some disappointment, reservation, doubt, wonder, curiosity of like, oh, if only I would have just tried it, maybe it would have worked out for me. So, I think that for me, it was important to try.
Do you have any advice for folks throughout their pregnancy if they’re trying to decide between going for a VBAC or a vaginal birth after c section or choosing to have a repeat c section?
Yeah, I think I do. One of the things that works for me well is to think about in any situation. Not so much exactly how I want it to work out, but more so how I want to feel about it. And I wanted to feel in that VBAC attempt, or I think sometimes called a TOLAC a trial of labor after Cesarean, that I wanted to feel like I had tried. I knew there would have been some disappointment, reservation, doubt, wonder, curiosity of like, oh, if only I would have just tried it, maybe it would have worked out for me.
So, I think that for me, it was important to try.
But I also have there’s also another part of me that was like when my intuition kind of spoke up that this is not going to happen. I wish I would have called it sooner, because I feel like I kind of knew, like my body was talking to me, and I kind of understood that it felt exactly the same as something I had felt before, and so I kind of knew how it would go. But there’s no shame in trying.
And I think focusing on how you want to feel and that’s maybe that you tried or feel empowered in your choice or any other things that might be important to you along the way that you didn’t want to miss out on whether that could just be like advocating for all of the same golden hour type things in the operating room, which totally can be accommodated as long as it’s not an emergent situation.
Yeah. So just, I would say think it through about what it means to you and what maybe some of your own biases are. But yeah, it’s a lot and expect healing kind of holistically mind, body, spirit, all the things. And telling the birth story to somebody who’s trusted can be really helpful.
Approaching Recovery After an Unplanned Cesarean Birth
Do you have any advice for some of our followers that maybe have had an unplanned or unexpected cesarean birth in approaching their recovery, both physically and emotionally?
Yeah, it can be really intimidating. I personally had worked in the hospital for many years, and so I wasn’t queasy necessarily about the bandages or the dressing or some of the basic hospital instructions or wound care instructions. I kind of was okay with that.
But if that’s not ever been in your field of view, it can be incredibly overwhelming to have this major incision, especially if you’ve never had surgery before, navigating anesthesia and the kind of overwhelming sense of fear, and concern.
When I talk to women who’ve had a cesarean birth, that’s such a resounding thing that they say, I don’t know, I don’t want to mess it up. I don’t want to bust it open. I don’t want my organs to spill all over.
I have a very dear friend from Yoga, who in her initial return to Yoga said, I kind of moved like a fabrice egg because I was just afraid I was going to break.
So there can be fear, fear around touching your incision, around moving again, about how strong those tissues are, when can you start to touch them.
And that’s kind of all part of the scar mobilization stuff that we talk about. It’s like that. You can kind of start right away, just gently washing in the shower, just getting used to touching the incision. And then we move into the actual deeper tissue techniques of scar mobilization.
Touching the scar is a bit of accepting kind of your birth story. And many people with Cesarean birth have some sort of traumatic experience associated with that. And at a minimum, it can just be scary and intimidating to be wheeled away, maybe from your partner and into the operating room that you're just not familiar with.
A very common thing that we hear from followers is what if these instructions about scar mobilization, touching my scar, acknowledging my scar, just make me want to vomit?
Number one, it’s so common. It’s so, so common. And so the instruction or guidance that I share with that is that start far away from the incision if you’re learning the scar mobilization techniques or the desensitization techniques and just do it on your arm.
Like just take one hand and move the tissues around on your arm where it’s very nonthreatening. Your brain is okay with being touched there and it feels totally fine. And then the next time, advance to your upper belly, like just under your rib cage, nowhere near your incision, always with the idea that you have permission to stop if you get queasy and then just let it be and don’t do it anymore. And then the next day or a couple of days later come back, try that same upper belly, maybe see if you can walk your fingers a little bit closer.
And eventually just letting the brain get to a place where it’s embracing the techniques and it’s willing to be touched there. Because essentially you may have known that you were going to have a C section, but your body has been totally taken by surprise, by the whole experience. And so some of those things can really trigger defense mechanisms or kind of that fight or flight, that resistance.
So being easy with yourself and taking your time working toward the scar, there’s nothing that says that you’re going to run out of time if you don’t start scar mobilization on the 6th week or you’ve got time.
And better to be more compliant with it and because you feel more comfortable and more willing to do it than to just torture yourself and feel absolutely terrible about it. So that’s my advice. And always find a PT or a trusted body worker that maybe can help you navigate moving the tissues around afterwards as you heal.
So a couple of things from an emotional perspective, two things, and one is just a bit anecdotal. I don’t really have evidence for this, but I know that it happens. And that is when you navigate the scar that you can feel a little bit emotional just looking at the scar. Touching the scar is a bit of accepting kind of your birth story. And many people with Cesarean birth have some sort of traumatic experience associated with that. And at a minimum, it can just be scary and intimidating to be wheeled away, maybe from your partner and into the operating room that you’re just not familiar with.
So I would say just accepting that there’s kind of a big emotional piece to that experience, especially if it was unexpected, and then navigating the emotional piece of potentially being disappointed in your birth story, like, how can I fully embrace my child?
I love my child, I’m happy to be a mom. I’m grateful that modern medicine saved me and my baby. But also, I just like, ugh, I just feel disappointed. That’s not how I wanted it to go. And how much of life goes like that, it’s just not how I planned it. And getting to the place where you have somebody that you feel safe saying that out loud or maybe just listening to me say it out loud and saying like, well, you know, she doesn’t seem like a jerk. That seems like an okay thing to say.
Can we hold multiple emotions in the same cup? Can we hold multiple emotions at the same time in the same heart? Like, yes, we absolutely can. You can love your family and your child and still not love how the experience that you had entering into motherhood or in your birth experience.
Can we hold multiple emotions in the same cup? Can we hold multiple emotions at the same time in the same heart?
Like, yes, we absolutely can. You can love your family and your child and still not love how the experience that you had entering into motherhood or in your birth experience.
And I think that being able to move through some of that is really helpful. I’m not a mental health professional, so I’m a big advocate for using mental health professional services to navigate things like telling birth story and working through any kind of trauma you might experience. So just using all the tools, all the resources, for sure. I’m a pretty big advocate for therapy, and I think everyone could benefit from it.
But I think a lot of people with birth, like, finding a specific perinatal mental health professional just to talk about your birth, if you have any sort of feelings about it, can be so beneficial. It’s almost like you take your car into the shop to get its oil change. So it’s like going to therapy is like just getting an oil change. So we all feel really good.
Holding space for others after a cesarean birth
But one question that I would have for Casey would be so if we ourselves obviously have not had a C-section ourselves, but we all know somebody, we have all have somebody in our lives that has had a C-section.
Maybe we didn’t know how to help them during their recovery or what to say to kind of ask them, what do they need from us to help them during their recovery.
What could have someone said to you differently during your recovery that maybe would have helped you more than like, oh, well, at least healthy mom, healthy baby is the goal because that’s definitely not helpful for anyone that I know?
I think that healthy mom, healthy baby thing is just, like, so much that people say to pregnant people and postpartum is well-meaning, but it's dismissive.
I think that healthy mom, healthy baby thing is just, like, so much that people say to pregnant people and postpartum is well-meaning, but it’s dismissive.
I think there’s sensitivity in my personal experience as a Cesarean birthing mom and then in the community of women that I’ve shared the scar mobilization webinar with, there’s a sensitivity around Csection being unnatural or an easy way out or just some of those things.
So I guess this is more the opposite of your question. It’s like, what shouldn’t they say?
But making any kind of lewd jokes about, well, at least you didn’t push a baby out, which, believe me, it does happen. Like, people say stuff. I just think it gets uncomfortable. They don’t know what to say, or, oh, your husband will be happy, and like, what are we talking about right now? This is just inappropriate.
Yeah, I think the things that we can say to moms with Caesarean birth is, I know you, and I know how hard you prepared, and you definitely made the best choice for you and your baby, or, I'm so glad that you're safe. I'm so glad you had a support team that could meet the needs that you had, or there's no way you could have known or you did everything that you knew to do, and maybe this is just your body's way.
Yeah, I think the things that we can say to moms with Caesarean birth is, I know you, and I know how hard you prepared, and you definitely made the best choice for you and your baby, or, I’m so glad that you’re safe. I’m so glad you had a support team that could meet the needs that you had, or there’s no way you could have known or you did everything that you knew to do, and maybe this is just your body’s way.
Maybe nobody did anything wrong. And I think that’s something tricky is like, where do we place the blame when it doesn’t go our way?
I’m grateful for meditation and mindfulness techniques to just follow some of the chatter in my mind and experience some of those things, even those projections, like, oh, I don’t want to tell Gina, well, Gina was there, but, like, smacking me awake as they’re closing my wound, giving me too much pain medicine.
But what if everybody knows how hard I’ve been working? And I hate to admit that this didn’t work out, that kind of thing. Like those feelings, I think just being open and not stigmatizing yourself. I guess if you have any thoughts about Cesarean birth, maybe just hearing me talk about it might say, like, oh, I never thought about that. I probably have said those things to people.
I don’t know. I don’t know if that really fully answers it, but I think just becoming more aware of how someone who’s had a birth experience, that’s less than I don’t want to say less than optimal, that’s not right, because I don’t know there’s an optimal experience. I would just say different than what they planned, maybe hold space for their disappointment without judgment, hey, that’s okay. That’s not how you hoped it would work out.
Which, I’m a mom of a three and a five year old now, and I feel like I say that ten times a day when things get spilled or broken or there’s tears and big feelings is like, hey, this isn’t how you wanted it. To work out. And that can go a long way. That can go a long way. I feel like sometimes just like giving someone the space to let us know that, let them know that we’re there for them, they can share their feelings with us and we will not judge them, can just go along with everything in life, no judgment. It can make such a big difference in a lot of our relationships, not just necessarily birth support.
Gina shares her birth doula perspective
We all definitely want this perfect phrase to say to somebody to heal them from their experience, to take away all the disappointment and all these hard feelings that for probably most of our lives we’ve kind of shoved to the side. I know for me, I have a really hard time crying in front of people because I have kind of shut down what I viewed to be negative emotions for such a long period in my life.
But the most important thing is just to hold space in a non-judgmental way and also hold that space for yourself and to be okay with being disappointed and to be sad and to wish for something different to have happened and to know that that doesn't take away from your love for your baby.
And so when I see other people experiencing these big emotions, my initial response is to try to think of some magic phrase to heal it all. And there is no magic response.
And I think what’s been most successful for me as a doula, helping my clients who have had birth experiences that they were not expecting to include, still having a vaginal birth, but maybe it didn’t go the way that they had hoped.
Maybe they got induced when they weren’t hoping to, or they got an epidural when they weren’t planning to. And then if they have a cesarean birth and that was not their original plan, is just to hold space for them and to let them know, hey, this isn’t your fault.
Nothing you did or didn’t do made you deserve to have the birth that you didn’t want. And that’s really all that I can do at that point. And to just let them know that I’m here for them as they are healing and to provide the physical support as they heal from a Cesarean birth or a birth they didn’t expect; to give them kind of the advice that they’re not getting from their provider as they kind of get wheeled chaired out of the hospital with a brand new baby and a major abdominal wound.
So that’s kind of my advice as a doula of how I approach helping my clients after Cesareans. And usually whenever I have a client that’s getting wheeled to the OR, I’m immediately texting Casey to be like, what can I say? What’s the magic phrase? Even though every single time she tells me there is no phrase, Gina, I’ve told you this, just hold space and tell them that it’s not their fault. And I’m like, oh, yeah, I was hoping by now you would have come up with that phrase for me.
One of these days, Casey will come up with the magic phrase and we will share it with you all. But the most important thing is just to hold space in a non-judgmental way and also hold that space for yourself and to be okay with being disappointed and to be sad and to wish for something different to have happened and to know that that doesn’t take away from your love for your baby.
It’s not going to take away from your ability to be a mother. And we can still be as amazing as we are as mothers and our birth stories as impactful as they can be on us. And we will probably remember our stories for the rest of our lives. It’s only a small piece of our child’s entire life. It doesn’t have to define how we approach motherhood or how we move on from that point. But it still is an important healing process that we don’t have to just shove it into a jar and never address it again. We should heal from it, but it’s okay if it’s not exactly as you had hoped it to be.
So, thank you so much, Casey, for sharing your two birth stories with us and for being a part of MamasteFit and helping us to support Cesarean moms who have had either a planned or an unplanned C section and then to support their healing postpartum. I know that Casey has played a huge role for us in developing our C section recovery program and for developing this scar mobilization program and now adding on our prenatal yoga and mindfulness work. It has really helped us support more folks who have had different experiences from us personally, and we’re really glad to have Casey on our team.
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